Ice Cream -> Ice Cream - China
Any source on the invention of ice cream in China?-- [User:Dante Alighieri], 7 Nov 2002
A number of websites, include USA Today's Q-and-A, About.com, and ice-cream.org reported a story that ice cream was made during the time of King Tang of the Shang Dynasty, and the ingredients included buffalo milk, flour, and camphor. But these English pages all confused the king's personal name, Tang, with the Tang Dynasty.
I'm not familiar with food history, and I haven't heard of this story or the likes of it in meatspace. --Menchi 10:58 10 Jun 2003 (UTC)
Considering the essentially total absence of dairy products in traditional Asian cuisine, and the much higher percentage of Asians who are lactose intolerant, the China-as-origin-of-ice-cream theory seems highly suspect to me.tooki 06:40, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)
The revelation of the ice-cream cone at the St. Louis World fair in 1904 is incorrect. It was available in the 1880s in Britain, but I have to research it before changing the details. Mintguy
SQUIRREL icecream? Is this somebody's idea of a bad joke? Also, is it true that British 'icecream' has no dairy in it anymore? It's interesting to see how this article has grown since I made it so long ago :) KJ 00:41, 23 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Isn't that just the traditional childhood mispronunciation of fudge swirl ice cream? Personally, I think the worst flavour is liver ripple. - Nunh-huh 00:46, 23 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I removed the squirrel thing. Even if there is such a thing, it is POV to state it is the worst. I'm not sure how true the statement about icecream in Britain is. Icecream here does contain vegetable oil, but I'm not sure if that is completely instead of any dairy product, or in addition to it.  says "hydrolysed palm kernel oil... is used by about 70% of ice cream makers in this country", but doesn't say that dairy is not used, although  says "In Europe for production of ice cream are used vegetable fats that completely replace milk fat and only for making dairy ice cream is used milk fat". Angela. 22:11, Feb 23, 2004 (UTC)
I would like to object to the use of Sherbet in this context, as in the UK and elsewhere it means something really quite different. Could a more neutral term be used instead?
The Persians Didn't Invent
If one's writing a cute little article for some periodical, then I'd say it's appropriate to call the Persians the inventors of ice cream, because one can be sloppy about the definition and...anyway...it's surprising and fun.
But when writing an encyclopedia article, "they mixed ice with some fruit juice" doesn't count as "ice cream".
A precursor of ice cream, definitely. Deserves to be mentioned in this article, sure. But was it actually ice cream? No. It wasn't even "made" in the sense of sherbet...it wasn't a liquid which was slow-frozen while being stirred, to give it a softer texture than ice. It was more akin to snow cones; ice with fruit juice on it. Kaz 18:05, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)